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Showing posts with label family research. Show all posts
Showing posts with label family research. Show all posts

12 April 2025

Family research

I've had lots of fun doing family research on both dad and mum's side of the family. It's a work in progress but lots of interesting stuff coming to light.


My DNA analysis


Dad's side of the family


Family tree


Biographical info


Mum's side of the family 


Family tree


Biographical info


Mike


    10 April 2025

    Family tree on Dad's side (The Myburghs 1667 - 1800's)

    Here is the Myburgh family tree from 1667 to early 1800's. ChatGPT was incredibly useful in transcribing and translating it and then creating the tree in visual form.


    Visual version





    Text-based version


    I

    Jean Lambert Myburgh, a native of Loyderdorp near Leiden in Holland, was granted citizenship in Cape Town. He married Anna Marie de Laar, a native of Amsterdam, on November 9, 1667. He later remarried Sophie Zank.  From his first marriage:

    1. Aleta Myburgh, baptised on April 1, 1689, married Lambertus van der Schelde, then remarried on January 1, 1720, to Jean Martin Steenbert, a native of Sangershausen, and for the third time on February 7, 1734, to Jean Charles Stukart.
    2. Catharina Myburgh, baptised on 6 April 1691.
    3. Jeanne Myburgh, who married Jaspar Slabbert.
    4. Albert Myburgh, who follows in II.
    5. Sophie Myburgh, married Jonas van der Poel.
    6. Barbe Myburgh married (1) Isaac van Es, a native of Utrecht, and then (2) Cornelius van Rooyen.

    II

    Albert Myburgh married Elsine van der Merwede, a descendant of the noble Dutch family Van der Merwede.  From their marriage

    1. Martha Myburgh, married Matthieu Basjon.
    2. Lambert Myburgh, who follows in III.
    3. Guillaume Myburgh, who follows in III bis.
    4. Jean Albert Myburgh, who follows in III ter.
    5. Elsine Myburgh, baptised on October 12, 1721, married Jean Henri Cloete as her first husband, and Pierre van der Poel as her second.
    6. Jacques Myburgh, who follows in III quater.
    7. Albert Myburgh, who follows in III quint.
    8. Pierre Myburgh, baptised on August 26, 1731, married Anna Catherine Vredenburgh, with whom he had one daughter: Anna Petronella Myburgh, baptised on September 24, 1752.
    9. Henriette Alette Myburgh, baptised on 18 April 1734, married Albert van der Poel.


    III

    Lambert Myburgh, baptised in 1716, married first on September 20, 1733, Anna Claire Couting, and secondly on February 21, 1745, Jeanne Appel, widow of Jean Colyn.  From the first marriage, five children.

    1. Elsine Anne Myburgh, baptised on August 15, 1734, married Coenraad Appel.
    2. Cornelie Sophie Myburgh, baptised on 25 September1735, married Jean van der Poel.
    3. Lambert Myburgh, born on July 28, 1737, died young.
    4. Lambert Myburgh, baptised on 5 Juin 1740.
    5. Albert Jean Myburgh, who follows in IV.

    IV

    Albert Jean Myburgh, baptised on July 15, 1742, married on July 21, 1765, Femme Posthumus.
    1. Lambert Myburgh, baptised on 8 Juin 1766.
    2. Elsine Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 27 March1768, married Gerhardus Johannes Hendricus Croeser.
    3. Albert Jean Myburgh, baptised on 18 Février 1770, married on 21 October 1792 to Adrienne Joséline Müller.  From this union: 
              A. Petronella Myburgh, baptised on 10 November 1793, married Jean André Lombard.
              B. Albert Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 27 Décember 1796.

       4. Guilarma David Myburgh, baptised on 27 Dec 1772.

       5. Jean Nicolaas Myburgh, who follows in V.


    V

    Jean Nicolaas Myburgh, baptised on July 19, 1778, became a citizen of Stellenbosch, and married Christine Marie Pick on October 26, 1800.

    From their marriage, eight children.

    1. Albert Jean Philip Myburgh, baptised on 27 September 1801.
    2. Paul Jean Myburgh, baptised on 5 December 1802.
    3. Adrienne Davine Myburgh, baptised on17 June 1804.
    4. Guillaume David Myburgh, baptised on 8 September 1805.
    5. Nicolas Woerting Myburgh, baptised on the 3 November 1806.
    6. Guillaume Hendrik Myburgh, baptised on 1st January 1809.
    7. Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 15 May 1811.
    8. Christien Adolphe Myburgh, baptised on 24 April 1814.


    III bis

    Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on February 17, 1718, was a citizen of Stellenbosch and married Elisabeth Olivier on April 26, 1750.

    From their marriage

    1. Albert Myburgh, who follows in IV.
    2. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised on 6 April 1755, married Pierre Jean van Heerden.
    3. Elsine Myburgh, baptised on 10 July 1757, married Isaac van Heerden.
    4. Gerard Myburgh, baptised on 6 June 1759.
    5. Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on 22 June 1760, married Gerard Louw.
    6. Wilhelmine Myburgh, baptised on 13 March1763.
    7. Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 6 May 1764.
    8. Lambert Myburgh, who follows in IV bis.
    9. Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on 11 November 1770.
    10. Jean Myburgh, who follows in IV ter.
    11. Catherine Alette Myburgh, baptised on 27 January 1777.


    IV

    Albert Myburgh, baptised on May 2, 1751, was a citizen of Stellenbosch. He married Anne Elisabeth Theron on May 9, 1773. 

    From this union:

    1. Guillaume Myburgh, who follows in V.
    2. Elsine Myburgh, baptised on 12 November 1775, married Gerard Olivier.
    3. Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on 28 September 1777.
    4. Anne Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on 10 May 1779.
    5. Jacqueline Sophie Myburgh, baptised on 4 February 1781, married Jurgeus (George) Hanekom.
    6. Albert Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 20 October 1783.
    7. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised on August 1974 married Pierre Jacques du Plessis.


    V

    Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on February 20, 1774, was a citizen of Stellenbosch. He married Beatrix Olivier on May 5, 1796, who made him the father of 3 children:

    1. Albert Myburgh, baptised on 1 October 1797.
    2. Renke, baptised on 2 November 1798.
    3. Henri Myburgh, baptised on 6 December 1800.


    IV bis.

    Lambert Myburgh, baptised on August 25, 1765, was a citizen of Stellenbosch. He married Hélène du Plessis, widow of Adrien de Klerck, on October 29, 1786.   From their marriage, two children:

    1. Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 23 Mai 1790.
    2. Elisabeth Henriette Myburgh, baptised on 11 March1792, married Jean du Plessis.
    3. Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on December 25, 1793.
    4. Elsine Marie Myburgh, baptised on February 20, 1796.
    5. Lambert Myburgh, baptised on July 22, 1798.


    IV ter.

    Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on July 3, 1773, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on September 28, 1794, to Jeanne Sibille Liebenberg, who bore him four children:
    1. Anne Marie Myburgh, baptised on September 6, 1795.
    2. Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on December 11, 1796.
    3. Jeanne Catherine Myburgh, baptised on October 21, 1798.
    4. Hélène Alette Myburgh, baptised on January 19, 1800, married Stephen Christien Myburgh.

    III ter.

    Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on September 17, 1719, lived as a citizen in Stellenbosch and married on February 10, 1743, Sophie Marguerite Nordt. From this union, five children:
    1. Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on April 11, 1745, died young.
    2. Jean Albert Myburgh, continued in IV.
    3. Catherine Sophie Myburgh, baptised on August 31, 1749, married Pierre van Breda.
    4. Elsine Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on September 26, 1751, married Corneille van der Poel
    5. Sophie Marguerite Myburgh, baptised on February 17, married Pierre Gerard van der Byl.

    IV.

    Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on March 16, 1747, citizen of Stellenbosch, married Ester Anne van der Byl, who bore him fourteen children:
    1. Jean Albert Myburgh, continued in V.
    2. Gerard Myburgh, baptised on December 27, 1772, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on May 13, 1798, Martha Jacqueline de Wet.  From this marriage, three children.
              A. Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on March 27, 1800.
              B. François Gerard Myburgh, baptised on September 20, 1801.
              C. Elisabeth Sophie Myburgh, baptised on December 11, 1802.
         3. Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on October 2, 1776.
         4.  Sophie Marguerite Myburgh, baptised on September 1, 1776, married Pierre Clotet.
         5.  Pierre Gerard Myburgh, baptised on June 4, 1778.
         6. André Gerard Myburgh, baptised on January 30, 1780.
         7. André Christophe Myburgh, baptised on January 6, 1782.
         8. Lambert Myburgh, baptised on August 31, 1783.
         9. Henri Ryk Myburgh, baptised on May 29, 1785. Died young.
         10. Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on January 7, 1787, married Daniel Brink.
         11. Ester Anne Myburgh, baptised on November 18, 1788, married Guillaume Isaac Louw.
         12. Ryk Henri Myburgh, baptised on December 12, 1790, continued in section VI.
         13. Pierre Gerard Myburgh, baptised on April 11, 1793, married Ester Anne Morkel, with whom he had a son:
                      A. Daniel Jean Myburgh, baptised on July 30, 1815.
        14. Catherine Reyniers Myburgh, baptised on July 12, 1795.

    V.

    Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on June 10, 1776, citizen of Stellenbosch, married Madelaine Marie Roux. From this union came twelve children:
    1. Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on September 11, 1796.
    2. Marie Jacqueline Myburgh, baptised on January 28, 1798, married Martin Corneille Brink.
    3. Sophie Margueritte Myburgh, baptised on August 25, 1799.
    4. Jacques Myburgh, baptised on September 6, 1801.
    5. Ester Anne Myburgh, baptised on May 1, 1803, married Pierre François Melchior Briers.
    6. Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on December 16, 1804.
    7. Tilman Roux Myburgh, baptised on January 18, 1807.
    8. Ryk Henri Myburgh, baptised on September 13, 1808.
    9. Madelaine Jeanne Myburgh, baptised on August 26, 1810.
    10. Elisabeth Myburgh, baptised on April 26, 1812.
    11. Pieter Gerard Myburgh, baptised on August 18, 1814.
    12. Paul Daniel Myburgh, baptised on May 14, 1817.

    VI.

    Ryk Henri Myburgh, baptised on December 12, 1790, married Anne Catherine Beyers, who bore him 9 children
    1. Anna Margaretha Myburgh, baptised on March 11, 1826, married Daniel Myburgh.
    2. Philip Albert Myburgh, baptised on April 13, 1827, continued in section VII.
    3. Hester Anne Myburgh, baptised on 6 September 1829, married Jean Albert van der Byl
    4. Marie Jeanne Myburgh, baptised on 5 June 1831, married Martin Melck.
    5. Martin Beyers Myburgh, baptised on 17 March 1833. Died young.
    6. Elizabeth Myburgh, baptised January 1834. Died young.
    7. Madelaine Marie Myburgh, baptised December 1836. Died young.
    8. Ryk Henri Myburgh, baptised June 1839. Died young.
    9. Jeanne Martina Myburgh, baptised June 1841, married Peter Gerard van der Byl.

    III quater

    Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 19 December 1723, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on 20 February 1747 to Catherine Olivier. From their union, seven children:
    1. Hester Myburgh, baptised on 1 February 1750, married Jacques Louw.
    2. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised around 1752, married 1) Jacques Liebenberg and 2) Jacobus Smit.
    3. Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 30 June 1754.
    4. Gerard Myburgh, continued in section IV.
    5. Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 22 October 1758, married Francois Smit.
    6. Albert Myburgh, continued in section IV bis.
    7. Guillaume Myburgh, continued in section IV ter.

    IV.

    Gerard Myburgh, baptised on 4 July 1756, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on 18 July 1779 Anne Cecile Olivier. From their marriage:
    1. Anne Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 28 October 1781, married Jacques Venter.
    2. Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 9 February 1783, citizen of Graaff-Reinet, married on 21 March 1802 Martha du Plessis, with whom he had four children:
             A. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised on 20 May 1804
             B. Gerard Myburgh, baptised on 21 December 1806.
             C. Anne Cecile Myburgh, baptised on 27 August 1808.
             D. Gabriel Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 11 February 1810.
       3. Philippe Arnaud Myburgh, baptised on 31 October 1784, citizen of Graaff-Reinet, married on 30 October 1805 to Jeanne Pourie.
                    A. Martha Catherine Myburgh, baptised 29 August 1804.
                    A. Anne Cecile Myburgh, baptised on 17 November 1805. Died young.
                    B. Jean Henri Myburgh, baptised on 25 December 1806.
                    C. Anne Cecile Myburgh, baptised in 1808.
                    D. Cecile Jeanne Myburgh, baptised on October 1809
       4. Gerrit Myburgh, baptised on 11 March 1787, married to Alette Jeanne Smit with 3 children:
                     A. Marthe Christine Myburgh, baptised on 20 December1806.
                     B. Anne Cecile Myburgh, baptised on 7 May 1809.
                     C. Gerrit Myburgh, baptised on 16 September 1810.
       5. Anne Cecile Myburgh, baptised on 23 September 1789, married André Gerard du Plessis.
       6.  Jean Louis Myburgh, baptised on 27 February 1791.
       7. Albert Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 9 February 1794.
       8. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised on 12 March 1797, married Jacques Nicolaas Myburgh.
       9. Elsine Marguerithe Myburgh, baptised on 27 October 1799, died young.
       10. Elsine Marguerithe Myburgh, baptised on 24 May 1801.
       11. Cornelle Herman Myburgh, baptised on 2 November 1805.

    IV bis.

    Albert Myburgh, baptised on 24 May 1761, citizen of Stellenbosch, married Marie Marguerite Smit, who bore him nine children:
    1. Catherine Jacqueline Myburgh, baptised on 7 March 1784.
    2. Jacques Gerard Myburgh, baptised on 31 July 1785, married Petronella Courtze, with whom he had two children:
               A. Jacques Albert Myburgh, baptised on 14 June 1807.
               B. Ange Marie Myburgh, baptised on 7 February 1818.
        3. Albert Myburgh, baptised on 10 June 1787.
        4. Ange Helene Jacqueline Myburgh, baptised on 8 March 1789.
        5. Alwyn Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 22 May 1791.
        6. Catherine François Myburgh, baptised on 9 August 1795.
        7. Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 24 February 1799.
        8. Elisabeth Barbe Myburgh, baptised on 26 April 1804.

    IV ter.

    Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 9 October 1763, citizen of Stellenbosch, married (1st) on 22 August 1784 to Ange Helene Smit and (2nd) on 28 September 1794 to Marie Madelaine Smit.  From the first marriage, six children, and from the second, eight children:
    1. Jacques Nicolaas Myburgh, who follows in section V.
    2. Guillaume Myburgh, baptised on 8 April 1787
    3. Alewyn Myburgh, baptised on 23 August 1789
    4. Stephen Christien Myburgh, baptised on 6 September 1795, married Helene Alette Myburgh.  Their children:
             A.  Jeanne Sybille Myburgh, baptised on 26 December 1824.
             B.  Marie Madelaine Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 28 January 1827.
             C.  Guillaume Christien Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 13 May 1829.
             D.  Helene Alette Myburgh, baptised on 21 November 1830.
       5. Gerard Jacques Myburgh, baptised on 26 February 1797.
       6. Jean Pierre Myburgh, baptised on 13 October 1798.
       7. Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 13 April 1800.
       8. Elsine Sophie Myburgh, baptised on 7 March 1802.
       9. Albert Myburgh, baptised on 1 April 1804.
       10. Guillaume Andre, baptised on 7 September 1806.
       11. Marie Madelaine Myburgh, baptised on 11 September 1808.
       12. Willemine Catherine Louise Myburgh, baptised on 5 August 1810.

    III quint.

    Jean Albert Myburgh, baptised on 28 September 1727, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on 30 April 1747 to Catherine Marguerite van der Merwe. He remarried on 20 September 1749 to Elisabeth Villiers.
    From the first marriage: one child. From the second marriage: three children:
    1. Catherine Myburgh, baptised on 21 July 1748.
    2. Ester Elise Myburgh, baptised on 29 October 1751.
    3. Albert Pierre Myburgh, continued in IV.
    4. Elise Ester Myburgh, baptised on 1 March 1755.

    IV.

    Albert Pierre Myburgh, baptised on 6 May 1753, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on 8 October 1775 to Marguerite Jeanne Strydom. From their union, three children:
    1. Rachel Elise Myburgh, baptised on 22 June 1777, married Hugo Henri van Niekerk.
    2. Albert Jean Myburgh, baptised on 11 July 1779, died young.
    3. Albert Jean Myburgh, continued in section V.

    V.

    Albert Jean Myburgh, baptised on 5 August 1781, citizen of Stellenbosch, married on 20 November 1802 to Marie Petronelle van der Spuy. The fruits of their marriage were ten children:
    1. Albert Pierre Myburgh, baptised on 1 January 1804.
    2. Alette Berendine Myburgh, baptised on 22 June 1806.
    3. Welt van der Spuy Myburgh, baptised on 10 April 1808.
    4. Marguerite Jeanne Myburgh, baptised on 11 February 1810.
    5. André Willer Myburgh, baptised on 5 September 1813.
    6. Marguerite Jeanne Myburgh, baptised on 26 February 1815.
    7. Henri Jean van der Spuy Myburgh, baptised on 22 December 1800.
    8. Hugen Henri Myburgh, baptised on 20 December 1818.
    9. Marie Petronelle Myburgh, baptised on 20 August 1820.

    Example of original format I got it in



    23 March 2025

    My DNA Results: Regions my ancestors came from

    Here are the regions my DNA is from. I'm a European through and through. Mostly from England, Scotland and Germanic Europe. No surprises here really. I was hoping I was at least a little bit African but apparently not !


    My ancestral regions






    Ancestral region by parent








    22 March 2025

    My DNA results: Genetic Traits

     These are the traits revealed by my DNA. Very interesting! Some are accurate, others are not.


    Highlights




    Personality




    Performance





    Sensory




    Appearance



    All traits
















    27 February 2025

    Lunch at The Little Snail, Pyrmont and wonderful discussions about family research

    A lovely lunch with Sue's friends, our quarterly get-together to keep her memory alive.  Michael couldn't make it unfortunately. The favourite conversation during lunch was family research through ancestry.com and DNA tests. Everyone is passionate about this. A great synchronicity after my recent project and still waiting for the DNA results. I learned some great tips.


    Darling Harbour





    Little Snail restaurant


    The Little Snail does a wonderful 3 course meal. I had the most delicious mushroom crepe, lamb and chocolate mousse.



    Jann's amazing family research


    Jann has taken her family research to another level. She has written the most amazing book weaving together all she discovered. I had a look at it over lunch and it moved me to tears. I later wrote her an email and had a beautiful response (see below).




    Email to Jann and her response


    Hi Jann

    Spending time with you on Thursday was truly wonderful, and seeing your incredible family book was a real privilege.

    I've been reflecting on why it affected me so deeply. I’ve always been haunted by the thought that our lives—filled with countless experiences, both sublime and challenging—fade away when we pass. Each of us is a rich story wrapped in skin, yet in time, those stories are lost, like "tears in the rain." There’s something profoundly beautiful about this, but also deeply poignant.

    Your book is an antidote to that loss. With exquisite detail, it captures and preserves the experiences of those who have passed on—some long ago—allowing us to share in their journeys. It keeps them alive in our hearts and minds, celebrating love, joy, dreams, hardships, and heartache. It is, in essence, a celebration of life itself.

    Thank you for the inspiration. I’d love to have a digital copy of your book—to immerse myself in it and to use it as inspiration for creating something similar for my own family.

    See you at the next gathering

    Warmly,
    Graeme


    Hello Graeme

    I am quite touched by three aspects of your thoughtful email:
    • The sensitive way you express your thoughts and reactions;
    • Your appreciation of my cobbling of the story in an attempt to capture and relate some aspects of the lives of those who came before;
    • And that seeing an example in black and white may be a stimulus for you to capture your family’s story.

    I’ll say again what I said on Thursday.... looking back from this end of life (Smile) allows for a perspective and a deeper understanding about the circumstances and life pressures governing the lives of past generations.
     
    You are so very kind and your words are much appreciated.

    Gosh, if it was to be published (it won’t) your writing would be perfect for the back cover!
     
    I will send it soon – just want to tidy up the corrections offered so scrupulously and generously by Judy!
     
    Thank you
    Jann


    Email to Michael



    Hi there Michael

    I hope the funeral on Thu went ok and it was a fitting celebration of a full and beautiful life.

    We missed you greatly on Thursday, and you were very much part of our conversations.

    I'm really glad I went as, apart from the wonderful company, it was a source of tremendous inspiration.

    For the past few months, I have been immersing myself in family research, discovering long lost family relatives. I've even done an ancestry DNA test. It's all been a beautiful and enriching experience.

    It was thus an incredible synchronicity to discover on Thursday that family research is a favourite past-time of several people there.  It led to captivating and very useful discussions. Most inspiring of all is that Jann happened to have with her a book she has written on her family's history. I was moved and inspired by it beyond measure.  Below is an email I just wrote to her.

    Anyway, sending you love and healing vibes. I hope you get your energy and mojo back soon so you are rampant and raring to go.

    Cheers
    G


    Thank you, Graeme, for letting me know.

    It’s delightful that you all clicked on Thursday. So, you won’t mind that Graeme Tucker asked for your email address; which I’ve given to all of those luncheon suspects.

    So an interesting ancestry DNA for you. Wot’s the result – English, Viking, German?

    Yes, yes, for we non-believers it’s poignant that our “stories, wrapped in skin, in time are lost”.

    Thinking (hard), our stories do fade but . . . you know, Carl Jung and all his stuff about the collective unconscious; we might have a lasting effect; albeit stories remain gone?

    . . .  OR, on the other hand, as a wise man from Muswellbrook once quoted – If you fill a bucket with water; then put your hand in; then remove it, the result is an example to you of one’s importance in the greater scheme!

    At my (!) highly satisfactory funeral on Thursday, the celebrant mentioned our shared stories – the connection but the now and future "one-sidedness”. I thought that he nailed the condition.

    Yours in research,
    Michael

    6 January 2025

    Family tree on Mum's side (The Sorrells and Bishops)

    I have been having lots of fun finding out about my family on some ancestry web sites.  It's been making me feel very connected to family members past.  

    View all my posts related to family research.  You can also click on the family members below in the family tree.  

    I have decided to take a DNA test to find out more about where I come from.  Should be very interesting.

    5 January 2025

    Henry and Mary Webber (Gramp's grandparents on his mum's side)

    This is part of my family research.


    Henry John Webber

    • 1866 - 1934
    • Date of birth: Oct 1866  
    • Place of birth: Colchester, Essex
    • Married to Mary S Webber on Oct 1885 (He was 20, she was 19)
    • Date of death:  12 Jan 1934 (Aged 68)
    • Place of death: Clacton-On-Sea, Essex, England  


    Mary Susannah Clements

    • 1966 - 1945
    • Date of birth:  April 1866
    • Place of birth: Colchester, Essex, England
    • Date of death: March 3, 1945   (Aged 78)
    • Place of death:  Colchester, Essex, England


    Children

    • Winifred Mary (1891–1966)  (Gramp's mum)
    • Annie Amelia (1887–1954)
    • Arthur Henry (1892–1955)


    Relationship to me

    • Great Great Grandparents


    Documents


    Marriage registry: Oct 1885



    Death registry: Mary Clements 1945


    4 January 2025

    George and Annie Sorrell (Gramp's grandparents on his dad's side)

    This is part of my family research.


    George Frederick Sorrell

    • 1858–1920
    • Place of birth: Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire. 
    • Parents: George and Elizabeth Sorrell
    • Occupation: Policeman
    • Married to Annie Emma Rowles in 1881
    • Died:  24 January 1920 (Aged 62)
    • Place of death: Bournemouth, Hampshire


    Annie Emma Rowles

    • Born: 1859 
    • Place of birth: Witney, Oxfordshire


    Children



    Relationship to me

    • Great Great Grandparents


    Registries

     

    George Frederick's birth registry 1858



    George Frederick's baptism

    • 26 Dec 1858 at Bledington, Gloucestershire, England



    George Sorrel Marriage registry: 1881



    The Police Gazette, Friday 4 May 1900

    • Article mentioning George F. Sorrell in his capacity as policeman





    Annie Emma Rowles birth registry 1859



    Annie Emma marriage registry 1881



    3 January 2025

    George and Winifred Sorrell (Gramp's parents)

    Some awesome timelines for Gramp's parents on Ancestry.com.  I so wish I could have met them.


    George Frederick Sorrell (aka Poppa George)

    • 1887 - 1962
    • Born: March 1887
    • Place of birth: Summertown, Oxfordshire, England
    • Father: George Frederick Sorrell (1858 - 1920)
    • Mother: Annie Emma Rowles (1859 –) 
    • Bothers:  Frank Herbert Sorrell (1889 - 1940), Hydra Henry Sorrell (1893–1958), Edward Arthur Sorrell (1901–1986)
    • Sister: Bertha Alice Sorell (Born 1885)  (?)
    • School: A boarder at Lord William's Grammar School, Thame, Oxfordshire, England
    • Occupation: Policeman
    • Married to Winifred: 1916
    • Died:  23 Jul 1962 (Aged 75) 
    • Place of death: Winslow, Cheam Road, Rustington, Worthing, Sussex, England



    Winifred Mary Webber (aka Nana Win)

    • 1891 - 1966
    • Place of birth: Colchester, Essex, England
    • Father: Henry John Webber (1865 - 1934)
    • Mother: Mary Susannah Clements (1866 - 1945)
    • Brother: Arthur Henry Webber (1892 - 1955)
    • Died: Dec 1966 (Aged 75)


    Children



    Relationship to me

    • Great grandparents on my mother's side


    Timelines


    George Sorrell timeline

    When George Frederick Sorrell was born in March 1887 in Summertown, Oxfordshire, his father, George, was 29 and his mother, Annie, was 28. He had one son with Winifred Mary Webber. He died on 23 July 1962 at the age of 75.





    Winifred Mary Webber timeline

    When Winifred Mary Webber was born in 1891 in Colchester, Essex, her father, Henry, was 26, and her mother, Mary, was 25. She married George Frederick Sorrell in September 1916 in Maidenhead, Berkshire. They had one child during their marriage, namely Gramps. She died in December 1966 in Worthing, Sussex, at the age of 75.








    Documents


    George Sorrell Birth Registry: 1962



    George Sorrell Death Registry: 1962



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    1 January 2025

    Charles & Amy Bishop (Gran's parents)

    I found some interesting documents for Gran's parents on Ancestry.com.   This is part of my family research.


    Charles Sydney Bishop

    • 1873 - 1952
    • Place of birth: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
    • Father: James Bishop
    • Sister: Charlotte Ellen Bishop (Aka "Lottie")


    Amy Bishop

    • 1882-1920
    • Maiden name: Smith


    Children


    Relationship to me

    • Great grandparents on my mother's side


    Timeline


    Charles Bishop



    Documents


    Marriage register

    • Date of marriage: 24 August 1914
    • Address: Saint Matthew, West Kensington: Sinclair Road, Hammersmith and Fulham, England



    Charles Bishop 1901 Census
    • Residence:  Watford, Hertfordshire, England



    Charles Bishop Death Registry 1953


    29 December 2024

    Tony and Dorothy Sorrell (Gran and Gramps)

    On familysearch.org and ancestry.com , I also found some of Gran and Gramp's registries.  This is part of my family research.



    Gramps

    • Full name: Anthony George Sorrell 
    • Lived: 1919 - 2003
    • Born: 25 April 1919
    • Place of birth: England
    • Father: George Sorrell   (1887 - 1962)
    • Mother: Winifred Mary Sorrell  (1891 - 1966)
    • Married Ellen Amy Dorothy Bishop in 1941
    • Occupation: Bank manager
    • Passed away: 16 Sep 2003  (Aged 84)
    • Place of death: Woodside Village Health Care, Rondebosch


    Gran

    • Full name: Ellen Amy Dorothy Bishop
    • Lived: 1920 - 2002
    • Date of birth: 25 January 1920
    • Place of birth: England
    • Father: Charles Sydney Bishop (1873 - 1952)
    • Mother: Amy Bishop (1882 - 1920)
    • Brother: David Bishop
    • Passed away: 16 September 2002 (Aged 82)
    • Place of death: Woodside Village Aged Care, Rondebosch


    Children



    Relationship to me

    • Grandparents on my mother's side



    Gramp's birth certificate: 1919




    Gramp's birth register: 1919



    Gran's birth certificate




    Gran's baptism: 1920





    Gran's death certificate: 2002




    Gramps's death certificate: 2003





    Gran's brother and his family

    • Gran had a brother, David Bishop.  He was a successful civil servant and played a "secret role" during World War 2.
    • David married Tidd later in life. She had been married before with a child.  She was older than him and he met her while boarding.
    • David and Tidd had two children. Michael is a doctor and has travelled to far away places to do charity work. Jean is a piano teacher who teaches adults.
    • Michael and Jean have 3 children. Charlotte is very musical and has twins. Lucy lives in Tasmania. Nicholas is a prosthetics engineer.


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    28 December 2024

    Graeme and Jo's baptism records

    I've decided to do some family research and find out any information I can.  I started with familysearch.org and found my and Jo's baptism records.  This is part of my family research.


    Jo's baptism on 28 May 1972



    Graeme's baptism on 7 March 1971




    10 April 2012

    Matt's interview with Mike about the war (A school project)

    Context and background information about my interviewee 

    Mike Donnelly, who is my grandfather, was born in the mid 1930’s in London. He was a young teenager at the time when the Second World War broke out.

    He lived in a semi-rural, medium sized neighbourhood about 5 miles outside of the centre of London. He was used to hearing the sounds of thousands of bomber planes fly over his house on their way to Germany. He grew up with a large military presence in his neighbourhood and was used to seeing armed soldiers in his road.

    Mike’s father luckily did not have to enlist in the armed services as was the Chief Metallurgist at a factory a few miles away, in an area called Acton. The factory produced essential parts for spitfires (fighter planes), ammunition, weapons, and even tanks. His father received an MBE award for the part he played in helping the war effort and was looked at with great respect after the war.

    At home, the Donnelly family built an air raid shelter which they often had to climb into when German planes flew above London. At school, there was also an air raid shelter which the students had to climb into. Grandpa Mike said that although it was terrifying, it was also exciting to the young boys as they did not really understand the severity of it all. The children at the school also had to come to school with gas masks in their backpacks. None of the teachers at Mike’s school were male, because all of them were forced to enlist the army.

    Unfortunately, Mike and his family lost many of their friends in the war. Two of Mike’s neighbours that were brothers had been killed in the space of a week. They were both 18. Many of Mike’s uncles were involved in the armed forces, and all took part in the North African Campaign in 1940 to 1943.

    Unlike many others, Mike’s best memory of the war was that he and his family were together, unlike all his friends in his neighbourhood and school.

    In the centre of London, many of Mike’s family-friends’ houses had been destroyed by bombs. When the war ended, there was a celebratory party thrown in Mike’s neighbourhood. Excluding all the young boys, Mike’s father was one of a very small number of men to attend because they had all been killed during the war.

    When the war ended in 1945, Mike and his family moved to South Africa where he spent the rest of his young life.


    The interview with Mike Donnelly


    1. What was it like growing up in the time of the war?

    It was terrible. I was very young at the time but was still very aware of most of the fathers being away and later the noise of thousands of bomber raids going over our house on the way to Germany. During the blitz I could see the glow of fires against the sky over London.


    2. Did the war affect your daily life at school?

    We were subjected to air raids and had to take our gas masks to school every day. Often, during air raids, we would go into air raid shelters and classes would stop until the all clear. We were terrified but at the same time quite excited, not really understanding the severity of everything.


    3. What was your first memory of the war?

    My parents building an Anderson Air Raid Shelter, which was erected in our dining room and having to go into it during air raids that happened when I was at home.


    4. Do you think that if you didn’t grow up with the war, your views on life would be different?

    Yes. The war obviously made a deep impression on all of us children. We were very conscious of fathers and sons not returning to their families and the heartache that brought.


    5. Did your family do anything to help the war effort?

    Yes. My father was the chief metallurgist at a factory, in Acton, manufacturing essential war materials. He went regularly into London during the blitz. He was subsequently decorated for his work during the war with an MBE.


    6. What were some of your best and worst memories during the time of the war?

    The best memory was that, unlike many others, we were able to be together as a family due to my father not having to do active service because of his vital work making essential parts for spitfires, other aircrafts, and even tanks.

    My worst memory is when our neighbour, Granny Kitchen as we called her, lost both her sons within a week. One was a tail gunner in a Lancaster Bomber and the other son was lost in an Atlantic convoy.


    7. Was anyone from your family or anyone from the area where you lived at the time in the armed forces?

    Most of our neighbours had fathers and sons away fighting in the war. In addition, all my South African uncles were enlisted in the army and were involved in the North African campaign.


    8. After the war, how long did it take for things to go back to normal?

    Shortly after the war my father was sent back to South Africa to start a subsidiary factory in Boksburg North. I went to school in Cape Town at St. George’s and the rest of my young life was spent in South Africa. I was therefore not aware of how it affected the people of England and especially those who had lost their homes to bombs or had lost loved ones.


    9. Did you know anyone who was injured or killed in the war? If so, how did that affect you?

    As mentioned previously, I knew my neighbour’s sons even though they were much older than I was, but I remember them showing me their wonderful Hornby Train Set and was very sad when neither of them returned from the war. I also remember their mother weeping with my mother on many occasions.

    At the end of the war our neighbourhood had a celebratory party and everyone from the neighbourhood attended. I remember, besides for me and all the other young boys, my father was one of a few men to attend as all the others had been killed during the war.


    How did you enjoy being involved in the recording of “Oral History”?

    I greatly enjoyed participating in your recording of “Oral History”. I enjoyed it because it allowed me to share not only facts about World War Two, but also my personal experience, emotions and memories. I find the whole recording of our conversation so interesting because it is so different to anything that I would have done at school. I like the fact that my grandson (the interviewer) can now better understand the way I grew up during the time of the Second World War. I also think it’s important to record as many people’s history that were involved in historical events, so they can be studied for historical research, and so that their personal history won’t be forgotten when they die.


    14 October 2010

    Poppa George and Nana Win (Gramp's parents)

    My Gramps was one of the most formative figures in my life and I hero worshipped him as a kid. He was this larger than life person who openly showed this love and wherever he went, there was laughter. I wanted to be just like him when I grew up. Because my Gramps was so special to me, I am very interested to know more about his parents who helped make him into the person he became. Here are some facts, photos and some memories.

    Read biographical details about Poppa George (George Sorrell) and Nana Win (Winifred Webber)









    Mum's Memories of Nana Win and Poppa George

    My paternal grandparents used to come and spend every Christmas with us and we would travel up to London to meet them and then we would all go to a pantomime or show. We would walk down Oxford Street on the way to the theatre, looking at the brightly decorated shops. One evening I grabbed grandpa’s hand to show him something special only to find it was not grandpa’s hand but a stranger’s. I can still remember feeling so totally mortified! It’s strange how something so unimportant can affect one for so long!

    Nana Win and Poppa George lived in Rustington close to the beach. The beach was covered in pebbles and when we went down to swim, we had to wear rubber slippers into the water to protect our feet. Poppa George had been a policeman but in his retirement he spent all his time in his garden where he grew the most amazing vegetables.

    When we eventually had our first car, fondly known as Puffing Bertha because of the difficulty she had going up hills, we used to go down to see Nana and Poppa about once a month. I was horribly car sick so was dosed up with something called avomine. Avomine could only be bought on prescription if it was to be used by a human but if Mum told the pharmacist it was for the dog, she could get it without bothering to go to the doctor first. It made me incredibly sleepy and I would sleep the whole way to Rustington (about 90 minutes), yawn my way through the day, and then sleep all the way home again!

    When we were with Nana and Poppa we would always go and help pick fresh vegetables for lunch and then sit and shuck the peas (eating more than we put in the bowl). I can also remember the tomatoes growing in the glass green house had so much flavour and were so sweet. Poppa loved yellow flowers because they reminded him of sunshine so the garden was full of marigolds etc. There was a putting hole in the centre of the lawn and we would spend hours trying to get a hole in one. Dad used to complain about Poppa George and get irritated with certain things he did so it highly amused me as Dad himself got older, that he became more and more like his own father. Probably something that happens to most of us!


    Some Background Information from Trish

    Poppa George Frederick Sorrell was a policeman in Oxford and then London.  During the war he went back to the police in Tolworth.   He’d retired from the police in his 40s and worked for the AA until the war.  He married Win in 1916.

    George’s parents were Frederick Sorrell and Annie Emma Rolls.  Frederick was superintendent and deputy chief constable of Oxfordshire.  Dad did not see much of his grandfather but saw more of his grandmother who, like Nana Win, was very round.

    Win’s parents ran a grocer’s shop in Colchester.  Gramps (Tony) used to help in the shop and sold 5 Woodbine cigarettes for 1/2penny.  Her father was a lovely man and her mother was small and birdlike.  He died first and she lived with Win and George at Raeburn Ave until the war when she went to live with a spinster niece in Colchester.  They had 3 kids, Nancy, Win and Frank.


    Trish's memories

    I remember they always came for Xmas, as well as Auntie Alice,  which meant we were very squished in the small house. I remember sharing Mum’s single bed with her. One year she was very distressed because a freak snowstorm just after Xmas meant all “the oldies” had to stay an extra day or two because public transport shut down.

    On Xmas Eve Nana and Poppa helped us write our list of wishes for Father Christmas (never known as Santa in our day) which we then put on the fire so the ashes  would be carried up the chimney ready for his arrival. It was a Xmas day tradition that we had lunch in the middle of the day so Mum was up early putting the turkey in the oven.

    Jill and I couldn’t hurry the oldies enough till they were all ready to open presents. Then Poppa always took us for a walk round the neighbourhood (I’m sure to get us out of Mum’s way as she cooked) and we would rate all the gardens we passed on a score of 1-10! After plenty of wine and port with the meal and listening to the Queen’s annual address all the adults would then fall asleep in the pm which Jill and I found very boring!

    It was Nana and Poppa who persuaded Mum and Dad to let us have a dog for Xmas. However we were convinced our gift was a grocery store set and we’d even decided who was to be shopkeeper/purchaser first. We were told that because it was in such a big box we would get it Xmas eve. Instead Dad walked in the room with Chippy in his coat pocket she was so tiny. That Xmas we thought she was asleep behind Nan’s feet but really she was chewing a hole in the back of her brand new slippers!

    I adored my grandparents and they certainly adored us back. Dad says he was almost embarrassingly adored by Poppa as his only son, so he was relieved when that devotion was transferred to us after our birth. Poppa was rarely without his beloved pipe. I remember him carrying us piggyback to and from the beach.

    They had a wooden beach hut there where we could change and store lawn chairs, toys etc.  I remember crabbing in the rock pools at low tide. The waves could get quite rough at high tide and then there was no sand on the beach but we could play cricket on the grassy area behind the beach. I don’t remember either grandparent actually coming in the water with us. Nana was a large woman and very soft to cuddle up to as we snuggled under home knit woolly blankets on the couch to watch TV. She taught me to knit and I can still remember the mantra of needle through, wool over, pull the needle back and push the wool off!

    They never drove or owned a car so we would walk to the beach but Poppa insisted on lunch being the main meal of the day, at exactly 1pm so we had to come back to the house then and return to the beach afterwards. Nana apparently never challenged him. Dad remembers dessert was always stewed apple and custard! She could be brusque at times and I  remember the resentment I felt at being given little sympathy after being stung by a wasp.

    They both played bridge, although Nana confessed to me that she thought she was the better player so she didn’t always want to partner George! She continued to play until her death and considered that walking to and from the club and the game itself kept her body and brain active. However she was not a particularly physical woman and I don’t remember her taking an active role in the garden. Poppa lived in his garden. It was a double sized lot so lots of room for his veggies. We helped dig up potatoes, squish butterfly eggs on his cabbages, and loved the tiny tomatoes in his greenhouse. He had a shed full of tobacco boxes he used to store nails, odd pieces of string, etc. Nana was sure he also had money hidden in them too, so I hope somebody checked after he died. He always said thieves wouldn’t find valuables if they were hidden in full view in places such as the toes of slippers. Apparently they left money in tins under the coal in the fireplace too! They had a huge row of dahlias which we got to deadhead during our visits. We went once a month once we got the car. There was a sunroom along the back of the house and a huge hydrangea plant by the back door where Nana would empty the tealeaves from the pot (no tea bags for her!) She said the acid in the leaves turned the flowers pink or blue, I don’t remember which!

    Poppa died first. He died very peacefully in his sleep  but on autopsy was found to have very severe cardiac disease. He never complained of chest pain and was digging in his garden till he died. Nana then moved into a 6plex apartment complex until her death. Again she was chatting to a neighbor in the morning and appeared fine. Jill and I didn’t go to either funeral and I have no idea where they were buried, or more likely their ashes were scattered.

    They had false teeth which they took out at night and left in a jar in the kitchen, much to Jill and my amusement. Poppa also took senna pod daily, so there was a glass of brownish liquid on the kitchen window sill with the pod in it. I remember sitting on his lap at breakfast as a little kid. He would cut his toast into tiny squares then turn his head away as he lifted each piece, saying he’d heard a little bird, and I’d eat his toast out of his fingers before he turned back.

    While Nana was widowed I spent a week alone with her over the summer holidays (Jill was already working by then).  She arranged day trips to the vaudeville type theatre in Worthing, and we had a wonderful time together. She died shortly after I started at physio school, but I remember her excitement when I met a promising young guy at one of my first student dances. She was looking forward to updates!

    As a young woman she and her sister Nancy ran a high class hat shop. Poppa actually dated Nancy before Win. He called them thunder and lightning as Win was solid and calm whereas Nancy was highly strung and slimmer. He was a policeman in Tooting Bec South London when Dad was born. He had severe asthma as a baby and Nana told me of exhausting times when she sat up all night with him in a steamy bathroom to help his breathing. At one point she thought he’d died and she says she tossed him onto the bed thinking she was almost relieved that finally she could get some sleep, when he started crying again obviously still alive!

    They owned the house at 175  Raeburn Ave that Jill and I grew up in. I don’t know if they gave or sold it to Mum and Dad after the war when they moved to Rustington. No wonder we knew all the families in the street so well as Dad had lived amongst them for much of his childhood. People didn’t move much then.

    Although both Nana and Poppa had siblings I never remember meeting or hearing about any extended family on the Sorrell side. I know George’s father was also a policemen, and they teased that there was also a gypsy Jack Sorrell in the area. Fact or fiction I have no idea!


    Story written by Poppa George

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